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While top representatives from each country...
were convening at the UN to discuss global peace-keeping and security,
despite the lack of any official recognition,
the self-appointed G's from around the world are convening...
for the peace-keeping and security of global youths,
hence the Non Summit Meeting.
(Episode 146)
We shall begin the session.
I'm the Chairman of Non Summit Meeting, Jun Hyun-moo.
- I'm Secretary General Yoo Se-yoon. - I'm Chairman Sung Si-kyung.
We are Junyoosung!
(Welcome representatives.)
Today, in order to hear even more various opinions from around the world...
and due to the nature of the topic,
we invited a female guests.
First, the Russian representative, Eva. Please introduce yourself.
(Hello. I'm Eva from Russia.)
(I'm currently studying to be an interpreter for international conferences.)
Hello. I'm Eva from Russia.
I'm currently studying to be a simultaneous interpreter.
I came to Korea because my mother was a pianist.
Since I was six, I went back and forth to Korea many times.
That's how I was able to learn Korean naturally.
It's been so long since we heard someone speak Korean with a perfect accent.
- Thank you. - It's really perfect.
- It's because you learned Korean since you were six. - Yes.
Can you say hi to Wang Xinlin?
Hello. I'm from China and called Wang Xinlin.
- Nice to meet you. - You're pretty.
(You're pretty.)
- Last week, - Yes?
Xinlin said Chinese men were popular among Russian women.
I heard having a Chinese husband...
was very popular in Russia and Japan.
I don't know what you're talking about.
(At that time, Oogi ignored him.)
That's what he said.
Where did you hear that?
(Where did you hear that?)
It's the first time I've heard it.
It was from the Chinese news...
- The news? - Yes. It was from there.
(Chinese husbands welcomed in Russia)
- Since China and Russia are so big, there might be some people... - Of course.
- who prefer Chinese... - It's personal preference.
But, if you get to know me,
you'll find out that I'm good at cleaning and cooking...
I'm married.
(Eva's been happily married for three years.)
Why did you do that?
- Those girls are single though. - You hit on the wrong girl.
Hello. I'm Wang Xinlin.
(Hello. I'm Wang Xinlin.)
(He quickly changes his mark after hearing she was married.)
But I heard that Chinese men take really good care of their wives.
They treat them as if they were queens.
- Is that true? - It's true.
I think it's different depending on the region. Whether it's north or south...
- I don't completely agree. - Where is she from?
We'll get to her introduction later.
- That was surprising. - I wonder where she's from.
Is it true that men from the north and south are different?
I think they all treat their women well.
From what I know, the men from the South are nicer to their women.
- Who are you? - Can we get you to introduce yourself first?
- Please wait a little longer. - Yes.
- Please wait. - Yes.
- All right. - Yes.
Next, we have a representative from Northern Europe.
She's Ida from Sweden. Please introduce yourself.
(Hello. I'm Ida and I'm from Sweden.)
(As everyone knows, Sweden is a very good country. But it can get boring.)
(That's why I've been living in Korea for about three years now.)
Hello.
- No one understands her. - I'm from Sweden...
Normally, Alberto can understand the gist of things...
Niklas, what about you? It's kind of similar to German.
I think I can learn it quickly if I listen to it more.
- The pronunciation is kind of similar. - It is.
Hello. I'm Ida from Sweden.
Everyone knows that Sweden is a beautiful country, right?
But it's also a little boring.
That's why I came to Korea for fun.
I've been living here for three years now.
Every time I listen to Swedish, it sounds like they're singing a song.
- A song? What does that mean? - What kind of song?
- It goes up and down like this. - Everyone...
- I talk like that too. - Xinlin speaks like that too.
Xinlin sounds like he's singing.
He's always singing.
(Embarrassed)
Anyway, just how boring is it that you introduced it as a boring country?
In my hometown,
there's only one club.
One club?
After one hour of clubbing, everyone goes home.
Also, because there aren't a lot of people,
if you go to the club often,
you meet the same old people.
I see.
But I'm sure you still get homesick, right?
Especially when I want to go horseback riding.
- Horseback riding? - Yes.
Horseback riding?
Since I was little,
I used to go horseback riding with my family often.
Horseback riding is very popular back in Sweden.
The famous horse called Vladmir...
is a Swedish horse.
Oh, that horse from the news?
- Yes. - That horse?
- That horse? - It's an expensive horse.
- It's a Swedish horse? - It came from so far away.
Germany is also known for horseback riding.
German horses are also very popular in Korea too.
We heard German horses were very good through the news many times...
in a roundabout way.
(Indirectly advertising German horses)
Yes.
Please introduce yourself.
(Hello. I'm Natsumi from Japan.)
(I came from Kanazawa, the "small Kyoto" of Japan.)
(Currently, I'm studying political science at Korea University.)
(Nice to meet you.)
Hello. I'm Natsumi from Japan.
I came from Kanazawa, the "small Kyoto" of Japan.
And currently, I'm studying political science at Korea University.
Nice to meet you.
- Did you see our show when Oogi was here? - Yes.
What do you think? Is he doing well as the representative of Japan?
- Yes, I think he's doing well. - If you could criticize one thing...
If I could criticize one thing,
I wish he would debate better...
No, wait.
I didn't mean better.
- I meant he should be more forward. - More forward?
Instead of being pushy, Japanese culture is all about being considerate, right?
I'm like that too.
- We have one more guest who we haven't gotten to introduce herself yet. - Yes.
- She's the French representative, Olivia. Please introduce yourself. - Hello.
(Hello. My name is Olivia. I'm French.)
(I studied at both China and Korea.)
(I met my husband eight years ago in Korea.)
(Right now, I have a beautiful 10 month old baby boy.)
(Wow)
Tristan is so happy he can understand her.
- What did she say? - She has a 10 month old baby.
She also studied in France, went to China, and came to Korea...
and met her husband eight years ago.
It says here that Olivia knows how to speak Chinese, French, Korean, and English.
That's amazing.
Her high credentials must be threatening to Mark.
It won't be easy.
He's from Princeton after all.
Actually, when she greeted me before,
she spoke in a perfect English accent saying,
"Hey, Mark." It surprised me.
- You never lived in America, right? - No.
I just got some scholarship from Princeton...
to go to Northern China.
There,
I taught at a small university for one year.
Currently, I work at the Korea National Diplomatic Academy...
as a diplomatic candidate...
and teach students about France and its culture.
- She's also really great at Korean. - She's really good at it.
(Embarrassed)
Please look forward to our fiery debate with our female representatives.
The Non Summit Meeting...
- will start its main debate. - Yes.
Let's welcome our Korean guest for today. Who might it be?
This is the number one foreign company that all Koreans want to work for.
Please welcome the director of Google, the global IT company, Mickey Kim.
- Welcome. - Welcome.
(Welcome.)
(A talented youth from America's Silicon Valley.)
(The director of Google Asia Pacific, Mickey Kim)
Hello. I'm Mickey Kim. I work for an IT company. Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
You're the director of Google Asia Pacific?
Wow, if you're the director of Google Asia Pacific...
That means you're pretty much in charge of everything.
It feels like he owns the whole ocean.
You also own us.
I don't own the entire thing.
I'm part of a team that is in charge of the Asia Pacific region.
After working in headquarters for about six years,
they told me to take charge of the Asian businesses in our team.
It's been about three years and a half since I came to live in Seoul.
Did you study in Korea before going to work in America?
I lived in America when I was really young.
But I graduated elementary, junior high, high school, and college in Korea.
After graduating, I worked at a company before I went for an MBA in America.
After getting my MBA,
I was hired by Google in Silicon Valley 10 years ago...
and have been working for them ever since.
Everyone wants to work for Google.
There are a lot of viewers who are interested in knowing about the system of Google.
I'm sure there's a lot to...
- talk about. - Yes.
This is the 146th Non Summit Meeting. Let's listen to Mickey Kim's agenda.
My wife and I are a working couple, trying to raise our kids together.
That's why I brought up this issue.
I believe men should be entitled to paternity leave as well. Am I abnormal?
Do you have experience going on paternity leave, Mickey?
I asked for seven weeks for my paternity leave.
I used the first two weeks for when our baby was born.
And just when my wife's maternity leave was about to end,
I used up one month.
So for that one month, I looked after the baby full time.
But this is a characteristic of companies in Silicon Valley.
Men usually use about a month to three months of paternity leave.
There probably are a lot of people who are jealous of your system.
We hope this can be introduced to our companies in Korea too.
Is there a specific reason why you're so interested in this topic?
My mother worked...
and my wife is also a career woman.
That's why I've been getting interested in...
men and women raising their kids together.
In order for that to happen, I believe we need to change the frameworks of society.
The whole world is putting in a lot of effort to provide high quality of life.
Lately the phrase "having a life at night" has been popping up more.
For you to "have a life at night,"
there needs to be greater balance between work and family.
I know you lectured a lot about the balance of work and family.
From your experience, what do you feel is more important?
I think there are three basic foundations.
First, you need to distribute roles between the genders equally.
The age where fathers go to work and mothers do all the housework is over.
And second, even if roles are distributed equally,
when you work, you can't always be home.
That's why time management is also important.
For example, in the case of me and my wife,
we share a schedule online.
If I want to make an appointment,
I try to put it in at least a week in advance...
on our calendar.
Also, I'm limited to making plans only twice a week.
I have to think hard about priority meetings.
- But what if one day, you get along really well with someone. - Yes?
If that person asks you out of a drink, you can't go?
Unless it's a very special case,
- it's difficult to do that. - You have to get your wife's permission.
Do you use the calendar app?
- Yes. We use an app online. - I thought so.
- It's Google calendar, right? - Of course.
It'd be weird for him to use another company's calendar.
Why wouldn't he?
Because the software is so good...
(Please refrain from advertising.)
It's good.
The good thing about this is how you can work with each other.
Especially if you have a child, that system is very useful.
And lastly, even if roles are evenly distributed and they have a good schedule,
it won't work if the company doesn't allow you to leave work.
In a sense, it could be the most difficult..
- but I think a healthy work culture is crucial. - A healthy work culture...
I Believe Men Should Be Entitled To Paternity Leave. Am I Abnormal?
Let's start the main debate.
(Main debate)
Let's start this off with the distribution of roles between genders.
How does each country socially view the roles of a couple?
In America, the concept of working moms are pretty good.
We think of them as super moms or superwomen. We think they're amazing.
Have you seen video of that BBC Dad?
Professor Kelly...
(Professor Kelly was being interviewed about North and South Korea relations.)
(His daughter came in the middle of the interview.)
(Flustered)
(His wife rushes in to take their kids out of the room.)
Someone made a parody out of that...
imagining what it would be like if it was BBC Mom instead.
That mother didn't get flustered at all.
She kept going on with the interview while looking after her kids.
She even cooked while continuing the interview.
And in fact, when a bomb flew in, she disarmed it while doing the interview too.
She was able to do everything.
(Just like the original, her baby comes in the middle of her interview.)
(She skillfully gives her a bottle.)
(In the middle of the interview, she cooks,)
(irons the shirt,)
(and even cleans the toilet.)
(A bomb is given to her.)
(Calm and collected)
(The sad reality of the expectations of a working mom.)
Although people have a good view of them,
saying they're amazing and great,
the bad point about that is...
how one person can't do all that.
One person can't do everything by herself.
That's why husbands and even the company...
should be there to help her out.
How they view working moms are starting to change slowly.
We view working moms as something really great.
And men try to help out a lot with housework and kids,
but the problem lies in how it doesn't work as well as we want it to.
- Why not? - Recently, the entire staff of a hospital was changed.
While they changed the staff, they changed the working hours.
The women who used to originally clean the hospital...
usually came to work at 9am. But now, they had to come to work at 6am.
But before they come to work,
- they had to bring their kids to school first but... - That's a given.
There was a lot of problems that arose from this.
To protest, the workers came to work, bringing their children with them.
But the company didn't really like that...
- and ended up firing all of them. - They fired them?
After they fired them, there was a huge controversy.
But in Italy,
there was a female member of the EU...
who brought her kid to the assembly to cast in her vote.
A lot of people viewed her actions positively.
- She brought her kid? - She always brought her kid...
when she was voting or making a statement.
(Her child was there for the voting...)
(and also participated to practice for her speech?)
(I had no choice but to do what I had to do because my daughter's too young.)
(I was the only one within our group raising such a young child.)
(Basically, choosing between your work and family is a very difficult thing to do.)
What happens if the kid cries?
Surprisingly, the kid sat very quietly.
She already has a knack for politics?
I think that...
if the kid is exposed to that situation often, she'll just know how to act well...
- and mature faster. - Soon enough, we might have babies cast in their votes too.
After all, politicians aren't that different from babies.
(Politicians aren't that different from babies.)
Politicians? That was a political joke.
Politicians are babies?
Not all of them but...
That was a good joke.
- Eva from Russia? - Yes.
I'm currently 26 years old.
In Russia, I'm at an age where it's perfect for me to give birth to a child.
After graduating from college,
it's considered normal to give birth to baby two years later.
So if I go back to Russia right now,
I could give birth and also go to work.
But older people...
The older generations have a more conservative view of things.
They'll say, "If you have a kid, you should stay home. You shouldn't work."
But the younger generations think that you can raise your kids and work too.
There's a divide between the two groups.
- By generation? - Yes.
- What? - She's really good at Korean.
- Thank you. - Seeing a Westerner...
- Westerner? - Westerner?
It's here again. The term Westerner.
That's such a Eastern view.
I didn't mean anything bad by it.
I just think it's amazing to see someone like her speak Korea really well.
- It's amazing, isn't it? - Yes.
Yes, Olivia?
- France... - That's right, I'm Olivia.
I'm not used to this. In France,
everyone thinks it's the norm for a woman to work.
Regardless of if the woman has a baby or not, is married or not...
The fact that a woman should work is something very natural to us.
Don't they have disadvantages at work?
- In French companies? - Not at all.
In fact, they tend to view working women well.
- They have a good system? - Yes.
It's actually hard in Germany.
Regardless of how skilled a woman is, it's hard for her in Germany.
First of all, working moms are called "Crow Mothers."
- Crow Mothers? - It's because they consider work more important than their kids.
But if they're the opposite and they only take care of their children,
- they're called "Traitors Who Only Cares For Kids." - What?
It's because they don't work. They stick to the traditional roles of women at home,
without working.
They get criticized...
no matter what they do.
It's really bad.
I think it's very complicated for people in Mexico.
To show you how bad it is, not that long ago in Mexico City,
in a span of a week, nine women...
were fired without any warning. It was on the news.
Upon closer inspection, all those women were found to be pregnant.
Those women gathered various evidences...
to testify. Amongst those evidence, there was a footage.
In that footage, the woman was secretly filming the talk she had with the manager.
She was asking him to give her a reason why she was fired.
But that man told her, "Just go. Don't come back."
"You have no right to be here." That's what he said...
on that video...
(You should at least tell us the reason why we were fired.)
(No, not at all.)
(Yes. You know you should tell us.)
(I'm not giving you anything. It's useless for you to come here everyday.)
(You're going to sue me? Do what you want!)
As soon as they found out they were pregnant,
- they started to discriminate against the women there. - That's really harsh.
But those women can't even report it.
- Why not? - They're afraid of being fired.
But since they were fired anyway, this is kind of...
unfair. It's something that needs to be addressed more.
- There are a lot of issues about this in Mexico? - Yes.
In Sweden, 80 percent of mothers work there.
There's no such term as "working mom" there.
- They don't even have a term for that? - No.
But there's a term for men who want to go on paternity leave.
It's "latte papa."
Latte papa?
In one hand, he holds a latte.
And in the other hand, he holds a baby.
- Isn't it more proper to call them milk papa? - I guess so.
We tend to have this fantasy. Was it Beckham?
Where we hold a baby in one hand...
- It's so cool. - It's Thor.
- No, it was Thor. - Thor.
- He carried it like a hot dog. - Oh, that was him?
- Yes. - He looked so cool.
But don't you take those photos when you get a baby? I have a bunch of those.
Holding a latte and baby. I know it's all set up but...
we hold both coffee and baby.
- Don't you? - Yes.
I really think they look really cool. It shows them as fathers.
In Sweden, fathers usually look after kids while drinking cafe latte.
That probably means it's how they natural view fathers there.
If it was in our country, people would wonder why a man was...
But they don't have anything like that there. It's just something natural.
Yes. It's something natural.
Let's hear about the actual conditions of maternity and paternity leaves here.
In Korea, only 7.7 percent of workers use their maternity and paternity leave.
Do you think this is because of how they're viewed?
That does play a part, but mostly it's because they can't support them.
They feel the pressure from their company.
I don't know if this is the same in other countries.
Let's talk about fathers and paternal leave in your countries.
Do fathers feel the pressure not use those days or not?
If fathers are naturally allowed to use those days, then please raise your hand.
Canada, Mexico, Russia
Sweden, France and the US have raised their hands.
- What about in Germany? - I don't know how to reply to this question.
It has been 10 years since a law was passed to allow paternal leave for dads.
So, you can naturally apply for it.
But, this law is not understood that well.
- Really? - Fathers don't use these days.
It's been 10 years but this law is still not recognized?
The companies don't understand why fathers need paternal leave.
- I didn't think it'd be like that in Germany. - I know.
The environment is very important.
- If no one uses this, then how could you ask for it? - Right.
That's why the culture in the company is very important.
The company needs to have established the culture,
We have a saying for new parents,
"I used one week during every months."
"I used this much time." We tell each other this.
- You give them ideas. - Yes, that way people know how to use their days.
- You need to do that. - Yes.
The director comes over and tells the employee what he did.
That's how it should work.
- "I used my paternal leave." - Right.
In our country the older generation says things like this,
"I was working so I couldn't even see the birth of my child."
- They say things like that. - I saw my child on the fourth day.
"What is paternal leave?"
- In Switzerland, - Goodness me.
(Korea still has a long way to go with paternal leave.)
In Switzerland, officially,
- the men don't get paternal leave. - Sorry?
- We don't get it. - Really?
We're a conservative society.
People still feel that men have to work for the family...
and women should stay at home and raise the children.
- That's why... - Do women feel the same way?
Yes, a lot of women do feel that way.
Women couldn't vote in Switzerland until the 1970s.
- So, women... - That's why a lot of women still hold onto conservative values.
"I'll raise the kids, so go and make a lot of money."
- Yes... - You vote on so many things, so why don't you vote on this?
- Well... - Everyone has the same perception.
- They still hold onto these conservative values. - They still feel this way.
That's why a lot of students in Switzerland go home to have lunch.
It's because the mothers are at home.
They can go and eat at home and come back after an hour.
In Canada, the fathers...
can use paternal leave without being looked at strangely in their workplace.
They were allowed to ask for 12 months paternal leave.
But they changed the law. It's now 18 months.
If they apply for an 12-month paternal leave,
they can still get 55 percent of their salary.
If they apply for 18 months, they'll get 33 percent of their salary.
In Sweden, paternal leave is 480 days.
- Did you say 480 days? - Yes.
- If it's 480 days... - That's...
- The parents... - That's over a year.
The parents can divide the days between themselves.
(The parents can divide the days between themselves.)
Among the days, 90 days are reserved for the father.
- I see. - 90 of those days are reserved for the dad.
Yes. That's why the dad uses the 90 days.
(Most of the dads use the 90 days.)
- The men use the days. - Yes.
In Mexico,
parents are encouraged and yet at the same time discouraged from using the days.
In the case of women,
they can apply for less than 60 days in paternal leave.
Men did not have paternal leave at the beginning,
but a new law was passed allowing them to use it from 2013.
They do have it. However, it's only for five days.
- Did you say 5 days? - Men only get 5 days.
- That's not even a week. - A lot of people who saw this on the news were flustered.
- It doesn't make sense. - They should just take it away.
If you don't want to give men paternal leave, just don't give it.
They only get five days of paternal leave?
- In France, - Yes?
men can easily apply for paternal leave.
However, while they're on paternal leave, they won't get paid.
- The company won't pay them. - I see.
However, the government does provide financial aid.
But since the financial aid is very small,
- it's only around 400 to 600 euros. - That's more than us.
- Right. But you can't live in the city with only that. - You can't survive.
- Paris is expensive. - Yes, Paris and other cities are living cost is expensive.
So, most men...
choose not to use their paternal leave because they can't survive.
It's the same for women.
Our society has a fixed idea about these things.
When you become a parent, the man...
has to be the pillar and support of the family, so they can't take a day off.
- Do they have to work harder? - Yes.
It's because when you have a child,
you have to earn money to raise the child. We have a saying for this,.
(Milk powder money)
- It's... - Milk powder money.
- It means milk powder money. - Yes, they need to earn money for the milk powder.
- That's why... - You need to feed the baby, so go earn more.
That's why a lot of experts have said...
that since we're now living in a two child family era,
we need to give the dads paternal leave as well.
I'm curious to know what it is like in Japan.
In Japan, the men still have to go out and earn money.
And the moms have to stay home and look after the child. This idea is still strong.
That's why the percentage of men who use paternal leave...
is less than three percent.
The problem is that a new term has been given to people.
This term is used for dads who apply for paternal leave.
There's a new culture. Employees will turn people use paternal leave into outcasts.
This has become a growing problem.
Also, recently a member of the Liberal Democratic Party...
applied for paternal leave. This became a controversial issue.
The reason why this became a controversial issue was because...
five days before the wife had given birth,
- a gravure idol... - Yes, go on.
He was seen with a gravure idol from an adult magazine...
- and it was revealed that he was having an affair with her. - Goodness me.
That's what made it even more shocking.
- It was a national assemblyman. - It was a shock.
He applied for a paternal leave and was spending his days having an affair?
That's not paternal leave. He just wanted time to have an affair.
- He destroyed his image by doing that. - Goodness me.
(In the end, he apologized and announced his resignation.)
We've take a look at each country.
What country do you think would be the best to raise a child?
I think it's Northern Europe.
- Northern Europe. - I see.
I see.
Personally,
- I think Australia would be the best. - Australia?
- Is that so? - I've been there a few times...
and firstly, the education system is similar to Europe.
It's also a safe country.
The government also supports the citizens in various ways.
If you give birth to two children, they give you monthly financial support.
The government also provides healthcare.
The most important thing for me is, I can't live in a cold country.
- Australia is really warm. - It's a warm country.
The weather is nice and it is a beautiful country.
I believe that children need to run around in nature.
If you drive a short distance, you find yourself surrounded in nature.
- It seems like a good place. - When will you go?
I can't go.
I like Korea. I like Korea even more.
If you asked me to pick a country,
- then I'd pick Australia. - It's Australia.
I don't feel that Korea is a bad place to live in,
but because of the fine dust and the problems with North Korea...
(Her concerns)
Korea also has a lot of problems due to the competitiveness in the job market.
If Korea could solve these problems,
I don't think we can solve the fine dust problem.
- Right. - Yes.
- The competitiveness is our nation's trait. - I might move to Northern Europe.
- The problem with North Korea is a really difficult problem. - It's a problem.
If Korea could solve these problems, it'd be a great place to live.
Korea is a really advanced country when you talk about technology.
The internet is fast.
- Korea is a lot safer compared to Korea. - That's true.
So even if you let your child go out at night,
you wouldn't worry as much.
I want to raise my child in the US.
- I see. - I have a sad and unresolved goal in my heart.
I want to communicate in English like a native speaker, but I can't.
So later on, when my child grows up,
I want him to ask with his head held up high,
"Can you speak English?"
- I'd like that to happen... - I understand the feeling.
The US is not the only country that speaks English.
Why would you pick the US?
- Why did you pick the US? - It's the most powerful country.
What do you mean powerful?
- How should I respond to this? - Do you prefer the US over the UK?
You have Canada over there as well.
- The UK speaks English, too. - It might be because I don't speak English well.
But when I hear people speaking English,
- I prefer the US accent the most. - That's right.
- It's nice, right? - That's your personal preference
- It just sounds the best to me. - I see.
There are a lot of people who want to learn to speak English.
I understand what you're trying to say.
Right. Koreans...
They want to speak it after graduating from university.
Is there any advice you'd like to give people who want to learn English?
I think this is a similar problem for Chinese people too.
The reason Koreans find English hard...
is because of two reasons.
Firstly, we learned English through the grammar.
- Right. - When I was a student,
we studied from a green English grammar book.
That was English for us.
- That's how we learned English. - "According to..."
That's right.
- That's how we learned. - I don't know how much of this has changed,
but since we think of English through grammar, when we speak,
we think of the grammar and can't communicate what we want to say well.
- We lose confidence. - We worry that we might be wrong.
The second reason is similar to what you said before.
A lot of people...
feel that you have to speak like a Caucasian person to speak English well.
- Right. - That's why they keep accentuating the words.
They just need to say it naturally.
But since people keep accentuating the words, people have trouble understanding.
They don't understand what they're saying.
- They add the "R" sound to banana. - Exactly.
They add the "R" sound.
I think the people here can make a good example,
if you listen to the people here, they all have different Korean accents,
and sometimes they make mistakes grammatically.
- However, there opinions do not waver. - That's right.
It's not about the pronunciation or grammar.
The important thing is how well you can communicate the meaning and your thoughts.
- That's well said. - Let's continue...
our discussion about the best place to raise a child.
I think that Canada is a great place to raise a child.
Children have big dreams, right?
They want to be athletes, singers or actors.
If you are born in Northern Europe,
you can become an artist but it'll be difficult to become a star.
However if you're born in Canada, you can easily go to Hollywood.
So in summary, you're saying the US is the best.
You have Donald Trump. We have Justin Trudeau.
You have Donald Trump.
- That's why Canada... - That's convincing.
You can trust Justin Trudeau.
Don't you think Canada is a good place to raise a child?
- ABBA was from Sweden. - That's true.
That was 30 years ago. I don't know any celebrities from Sweden.
- Even before we started filing... - Ace of Base.
- I know Ace of Base. But they were a band from 30 years ago. - Right.
What about H&M?
- That's true. - H&M.
Is H&M a Swedish company?
- Yes. Along with IKEA. - I see.
- Right. - IKEA.
- Sweden is the best country to raise a child. - Right.
What does Canada have? Canada Goose?
- Yes. Canada Goose. - What else?
We also have Cirque Du Soleil.
He said Cirque Du Soleil.
- Why would you bring that up suddenly? - A circus.
He's talking about a circus.
- They have Justin Bieber. - Right. Justin Bieber.
- She helped you out. - You have Justin Bieber.
Right. We have Justin Bieber.
- You also have Celine Dion. - Who said that?
- Do you like her? - Celine Dion.
- Well... - Yes?
Let's get the other members to choose either Canada or Sweden.
- Where would you raise your child? - Right.
Would you raise your child in Canada or Sweden?
Both countries are quite popular. Let's choose between Canada or Sweden.
(Sweden is the world's greatest welfare state.)
(The men can apply for paternal leave without being looked at strangely.)
(The parents take care of the child and the nation protects them.)
(Canada is the country that people around the globe want to emigrate to the most.)
(It's an English speaking country with an excellent education system.)
(It's a great natural environment to raise children.)
(Which country would you want to raise your child in? Sweden or Canada?)
- Before we vote, can you give us 30 seconds to make a final statement? - Okay.
(He must be worried.)
- Do you want to go first? - Me?
You won't get bored in Canada. It's a great country to live and have fun.
I came from a small city, but we have a lot of clubs.
We have a lot of restaurants as well.
Canada, legally,
states that you're legally an adult three years earlier than the US,
so a lot of celebrities come to Canada.
And finally, Sweden,
forces children to sleep in cold rooms.
So, for an hour and a half, the children...
Your time is up.
- Your time is up. - You have 30 seconds.
- He said so much. - Take it slow.
- It's your turn, Sweden. - In my opinion,
Canada is a great country, but it is too far away.
(What is she doing?)
Sweden is even further away.
- No, it isn't. - That's from your perspective.
- Sweden is... - The distance is similar to us.
It's similar.
If you live in Sweden,
and you want to go somewhere for a vacation,
you can travel by car to Germany, Italy and France.
- It's in Europe. - If you live in Canada,
- You're close to Donald Trump. - your only neighbor is the US.
You have to go visit Donald Trump.
- Is that it? - Are you done?
- That's enough. - She appealed to the vacation aspect.
Shall we vote now?
- Is it Canada or Sweden? - This is fun.
This is going to be hard.
It's not about you. It's what country you want to raise your child.
Right. It's not the country that you want to live in.
Is it Canada or Sweden? In 3, 2 and 1.
(Sweden received 8 votes and Canada received 4.)
- Poor him. - How did this happen?
The three countries in North America chose Canada.
Apart from the three North American countries...
- I'm on your side. - Am I in this group, too?
- Don't forget the two of you. - Are you talking about us?
- They chose Sweden. - You didn't raise your hands, so you chose Canada, right?
- I chose Canada. - I chose Canada.
- But... - I chose Canada.
I think I lost, but I feel like it was close.
How was it close?
He has a positive mindset.
We feel that it was close, too.
- If you add us, it was close. - If you like drinking and having fun...
- We're talking about raising a child. - It's about raising a child.
It was about the place to raise a child.
I thought there would be more votes for Canada.
It's also a country that speaks English. The results are surprising.
They speak English in Sweden, right?
- They speak English well. - I'm sure they do.
- They do. - They probably speak it as well as the US citizens.
In Sweden, they learn English at school.
- They speak it well. - Yes, they teach English in Swedish.
Could you tell us why you chose Sweden?
In Germany, we believe the best place to raise a child is in Sweden.
- There's a lot of articles on this. - It's become common knowledge.
That's our image of Sweden.
Firstly, both parents get paternal leave when the baby is born.
You can apply for it without receiving problems at work.
Also, there kindergarten system is really good.
- There's a lot of space for kids. - It's the welfare country.
You can also leave the child at the kindergarten for 24 hours.
Nik, let me ask you one thing.
- Ask away. - When you send your child to kindergarten,
you know how they have nap times for the children,
- Yes. - they force the children to take naps in the cold during winter.
- They don't do that during winter. - No, they really do it.
- No, we don't. - You should ask her.
- Do they force the children to sleep in negative 40 degrees? - Negative 15 degrees.
- The kids would be frozen. - Ask her.
- Let's ask Ida. - Is it true?
Have you ever slept outside?
(Collapsing)
- Did your teacher force you to sleep outside? - No.
- Is it a lie? - Yes, it is.
- Really? - It's cold. How could you force children to sleep outside?
I read it in a BBC article.
- I'm sure it was an event. - It was probably an event. They don't do it every day.
- Right. - I guess I was wrong about that.
Mickey, why did you choose Sweden?
I think it would be culturally a great experience.
I think the kids would get a different experience from what they could from Canada.
I think the experience they'd get from living in Sweden would be invaluable.
I was thinking more about the future of my child.
It's the same reason why my parents emigrated from Italy to the US.
It was to give us a brighter future.
The market in Canada and the US is big, so there's more opportunities.
- With that in mind, I chose Canada. - Europe's big too.
- No, I'm talking about... - That was in the past.
That's what immigrants from the past think.
Canada is naturally very close to the US.
It's easy to enter Hollywood too. There's a lot of opportunities.
Mark, if you're going to raise an actor or a star, the US is better.
It'd be impossible to raise a sports star in the US.
- I want to raise my child to be a soccer player... - That's soccer.
If I go to Canada,
They're ranked 150th or something, right?
We're ranked 109th.
Sweden has produced soccer players like Zlatan Ibrahimović.
- That's right. - He's a star.
If you want to raise a soccer player like me, you'd pick Sweden.
If you think about American football or baseball,
I'm going to raise him to be a soccer player.
- Don't you have any interest in other sports? - NFL?
- Also Sweden... - If you talk about soccer,
producers more pop singers than Canada.
They're ranked second for the number of singers that they produce.
- I understand. Your children don't have to grow up to celebrities. - Right.
I mentioned it because Guillaume was talking about it.
I don't want to raise my child in a quiet place.
As a parent, I'm worried that my child will get depressed.
If you have a good family, living in a quiet place doesn't matter.
- A family makes the child happy. - Yes.
There are two languages that are incredibly important in the world today.
It's French and English.
I'm sorry to say this, but as a global player, Sweden isn't that important.
That's why I want to raise my child in Quebec.
- My child can learn French and English. - Their accent is atrocious.
- But France... - We can fix that.
I was going to choose Canada too.
But after I heard Guillaume speaking French,
I don't want my child to be like him.
- I don't want my child to be like him. - You never know.
(I've lived in Korea for...)
(Stammering)
- He sounds awkward. - Just speak in English.
Just speak in Korean. We all know that you speak Korean well.
Olivia, which country did you pick?
- I would pick Sweden. - Okay.
But in truth, it doesn't matter which country you raise your child.
It depends on who your partner is.
The most important thing is who you live with.
- You're right. - That's why...
The welfare system in whatever country isn't important.
That's not important. As someone who is married,
what matter is, how much assistance your partner gives in caring for the baby.
It doesn't matter if you live in the best country in the world,
if your partner is horrid.
Yes, that's right.
- I think she has a lot of frustration with her partner. - No, I don't.
You said that France has a great system. Why are you saying this?
I am very grateful to my husband.
It's because my husband is the one who takes care of the baby.
In the end, it's all about your partner.
- That was a memorable saying. - She brags about her husband as well.
(My husband)
They did a survey to show the balance between work and family in the OECD.
They did a survey on the quality of life among the 38 countries in OECD.
When looking at the balance between life and work,
Korea came in 36th and Mexico came in 37th.
- We seem to be on good terms. - They are our friends.
- We're friends. - Friends.
We need to raise social awareness on a lot of issues.
The Ministry of Employment and Labor has proposed a bill for innovative 10 ideas.
To change the culture of long working hours,
the proposed 10 changes, the first is decreasing unnecessary overtime.
Discouraging contacting employees about work after working hours.
Increasing concentration on work.
To change the way we work, they proposed innovative meetings.
Being clear and concise about work directions.
Flexible work.
- Intelligent reports. - Be smart.
To change the culture of the work place, promoting healthy company dinner.
Encouraging the use of vacation days.
This practice should start from the top.
Mickey, what do you think is the most important here?
- I think the overtime rule seems to be the most important one. - Right.
I think making a flexible work environment is also important as well.
The amount of hours isn't as important as how much you've done.
If you can't predict when you'll finish,
then the balance between family life and work life is something we can't discuss.
What you said sound like common sense to me.
I've never seen a Korean company implement any of that.
- They think the number of hours you work is important. - Right.
I really hate the punching in and out card.
- You have to punch it in when you start and finish. - Right.
In truth, people don't know what you did during the work hours.
They don't know if you had been shopping for things online.
You should finish your work early and go home.
You should go home and rest. Working at home should also be allowed.
I think we need to change the culture of thinking that sitting down...
for long hours equates to hard work. I think that needs to change.
As Mickey said even if the parents divide the work up,
if they have to work overtime, there's no point to this.
Finishing on time is very important.
Do you believe that people finish work on time in your country?
- Please vote in 3, 2 and 1. - Do you finish on time?
- Do you finish on time? - Do you finish on the dot?
- Do you? - China and Japan don't think so.
- They have a lot of overtime work. - It's the traits of Asian countries.
The Northeast Asian countries are just...
- It's only the Asian countries... - No, look at Mark.
(Mark lowers his hands shyly.)
- Mark? - It's half and half.
It's because...
they do tell you that you can go home on Wall Street.
They try to let you go eat dinner with your family.
- But they keep emailing you? - But after you spend some time with your family,
they expect you to stay up working overnight.
What happens if you don't check their emails?
- I have to check it. - No matter what?
It's interesting because in France,
- there's a law that prohibits companies from emailing you after work. - Yes.
(In France, it's prohibited from emailing outside working hours.)
(It gives employees a right to disconnect from the company.)
(He has culture shock.)
(Mark couldn't understand this new concept.)
We don't check it.
- That sounds like heaven. - People don't badger us about it.
It's just something natural. It's email.
- Aurélien wasn't being strange. - They...
Isn't it because you work in finance?
- Maybe other fields... - It's the same for IT.
- It is? - Because IT is also all about outcomes...
We're allowed to go home. We all go home by six.
But after you eat dinner, play with your kids, and put them to sleep,
both of us go sit in our studies...
- and go back to work again. - They don't count as part of your working hours?
They don't.
We don't have such a thing as working hours.
It's just all about you doing well. It's all about your outcomes.
- Olivia... - Let's say you didn't read your emails on the weekend.
Would you say, "How do you expect me to read it if you send it to me then?"
Yes, of course.
In France, they don't even send emails on the weekends.
Not only is it after working hours,
but it's something that can be done the next day.
I guess work progress is slow in France?
Yes. It's actually very slow.
- Same thing with Italy... - It's the same.
Rather than slow work progress, we're just concerned about getting off work on time.
If you're still at the company after work hours,
the company doesn't like that because they have to pay them for overtime.
Same goes for weekend work.
If you work weekends, they have to pay you 25 percent more...
for overtime.
In fact, my father really likes the month where he gets a lot of overnight work.
He gets a lot more money then.
In France, we don't get more money.
We get something called RTT.
(Reduction of Working Time)
We get more vacation time.
We get those back as vacation days.
In France, we normally have a five week vacation.
If you add in the RTT, you get a lot more days off.
You can rest for two months.
(You're so lucky.)
As you all probably know, we have a lot of strikes in France.
There are so many days when you don't need to go in for work. All together...
- Strike? - She's smiling while she says that.
"We have a lot of strikes in France."
When the employers see this,
- it'll make them so upset. - Yes.
I think all together, they make up about two months of rest days.
We're also kind of similar to France.
We always get off on time, no matter what.
So in places like the post office,
even if people stand in line,
when it strikes 6 o'clock, they don't take in...
- any more people. - Even if you've been waiting?
Yes. That doesn't really matter.
Let's say you came at 5pm. There were a lot of people.
- You just leave? - Yes. You just give up for that day.
- So... - They just give up?
Yes. If they don't think they could get it done today, they just leave.
- Giving up sounds good. - Yes.
I only found out about the concept of overtime...
when I came to work in Korea.
(Sighs)
Actually, the Swiss don't really work overtime either.
In fact, working more than two hours overtime is illegal there.
- It's illegal. - Same for us.
So a lot of Swiss people work very efficiently.
If people have to work overtime,
they're seen as people who can't manage their time right.
They'll say, "What were you doing all morning?" Am I right?
- Yes. - When do people get off work in Sweden?
They get off around 4pm to 5pm.
- Wow. - Are they the bank?
But the sun sets earlier there.
Eva just asked if they were the bank.
She's becoming so Korean. "Are they the bank?"
Even though it seems like banks close earlier,
they still work...
after they stop taking customers. - Yes.
They probably end late.
(Sweden is trying to decrease work hours to 30 hours a week.)
(If it's successful, Swedish people will work six hours a day.)
(Sweden's Six Hour Work Day Experiment)
In fact, Sweden includes the commute time as part of their work hours.
- It's better for you to live farther away. - Yes. If you live far away...
from Stockholm,
- they count your commute time as part of your work hours. - Really?
- That's amazing. - If you live in Gyeonggi Province...
If it was me, I'd live far away on purpose.
- Good one. - I would live in Busan.
I would read books and watch movies on the way.
- You'd take your time. - Yes.
(Embarrassed)
Mexico is completely the...
opposite because...
first, Mexican companies don't count lunch...
as part of the working hours. Most companies don't do that.
That's why we're forced to work an hour longer than normal.
People must have to eat really fast.
Yes, exactly.
Eventually, everyone gets out...
around 9pm and 10pm. But...
- they're tired and hungry. - So they eat?
They eat something on the way home...
and go straight to sleep when they get home.
I feel that does play a part in...
contributing to our obesity issue.
- Mickey, you also have experience working at a Korean company? - Yes.
- Mark too. - Yes.
- Can you tell us the difference you felt? - If you were to compare them...
It happened so long ago...
so I think it might have changed somewhat now.
If you wanted to leave on time, you got a lot of looks.
- That's so true. - On top of that,
you had to get permission to leave.
When you get permission,
you wouldn't say "I'll be leaving on time today."
You'd say, "I'll be leaving a little early today."
- Even though it's time to get off work? - Yes.
Even though it's time to get off work...
He's right. The wording is a little strange.
- I said it too so many times. - You're leaving on time so why...
say "I'll be leaving a little early today."
The boss will ask you if something happened.
It just means "earlier than you."
"Earlier than you, Boss."
After getting used to that work culture,
this was during the first week I went to work for Google at Silicon Valley.
- My body was still... - Used to the old way?
Yes. I was still used to it. I had to leave early that day...
because something was being delivered to my house.
I told my boss that...
I'd be leaving early that day. My boss reacted in this manner.
"So what?"
So what? He just said, "So what?"
That was something that was up to me. There was need for me to report it to him.
Your boss might have misunderstood you.
That's true. "Why is this guy telling me this?"
- "Why me?" - "Did I do something wrong?"
"I'm leaving early because of you."
("I'm leaving early because of you.")
"I hate you. Do you know how much I hate you?"
- What about you, Mark? - I also worked at a Korean company before.
I was supposed to go to work by 8am and leave by 6pm.
But when I went there, they said they implemented a flexible schedule.
So one day, when I went to work at 9am, they said,
"I know we're flexible about time but 9am is a little..."
I asked, "How is that a flexible schedule?"
"I can give you some leeway from 8am to 8:30am."
- "That's how this system works." - That not flexible...
Yes, it wasn't very flexible.
- And I was really surprised when... - Yes?
You probably know this, Mickey. But we're flexible about our lunch time.
We take lunch whenever we feel like it.
But when I went to work for a Korean company, on the first day,
I went to get lunch around 11:40 because I was getting hungry.
"Mark, our department..."
"only go for lunch around 11:50 to 12:50."
It was 11:40.
He told me if I left now, people would talk bad about me.
- I didn't realize it was so bad. - Don't Korean bosses...
- treat foreigners more leniently? - No. You have to follow their rules.
I'm always at the research lab.
But when I wanted to leave...
When I told them I'd be leaving a little early, they said,
"Hey, I'm still working here. What's wrong with you, Xinlin?"
- They said that so bluntly like that? - Yes. I put down my bag and sat down again.
- Really? - Yes.
Xinlin. Where you become a boss, how will you treat your workers?
I had to go through it so I'm going to make them go through it too.
That's the problem.
- This is how it's done. - It's a never-ending cycle.
Xinlin, you should have just said,
"So what?"
I don't think they'll take it very well.
I want to stress that...
even though I'm also a foreigner, if I say "So what?" with this face...
- "So what?" - They'd tell me to leave.
To change the work culture, we've been trying to implement a flexible workplace.
Some examples are implementing a commute system,
a flexibility system, a choice system, a judgment system,
a telecommuting system, and remote work system.
What kind of system does Google have?
Most companies in Silicon Valley...
don't put much emphasis on the time you come in and leave.
They don't really have that kind of system.
The only reason this is possible is...
because we work according to our schedule.
(Employees make up their own schedules and share it to set up meetings.)
In fact, you have time to gossip with your friends too.
Koreans tend to call it "breaking the nogary," right?
We even schedule in the time for that on our calendars too.
- Nogary time? - Yes.
We put in 30 minutes for coffee or chatting.
We get together and talk during that time. When time's up, we go back to our work.
- Oh. - Because we do that,
everyone knows where and what I'm doing.
That's how you can be flexible with time and space.
And behind that flexibility,
there's the evaluation reports breathing down our necks.
So even if we go home early, we're still connect to our workplace.
- It's all about responsibility. - Yes.
- As long as you get good evaluations... - People tend to think Silicon Valley...
is all about the flexible work culture.
They think of it as an amusement park.
They think of it as somewhere where people ride bicycles and play beach volleyball.
But in reality, they ask you to take responsibility.
- To play beach volleyball, you have to schedule in 30 minutes... - Yes. We do that.
- No, 32 minutes. - Sure.
It might be put under "Beach Volleyball and Shower."
- Shower? - Yes. That's how it might be written.
- Because you can't work... - You're trying work all night, aren't you?
- Well, that would depend on you. - On me?
To decrease unnecessary overtime, they try to implement working from home.
Let's take a vote to see where everyone stands.
Would you rather work overtime and finish work during your work hours?
Or would you rather take your work home?
Let's be specific. If you finish work at 10pm, they can't contact you until morning.
Or you left work at 6:30pm or 7pm...
but you have to work two hours more at home.
Think about it.
You mean leave on time and work at home?
- No, I'd hate that. - Yes, you work from home.
If you think leaving on time is more important, raise your hand. In 1, 2, 3.
(Work at company 7, Work at home 5)
- There's a lot. - I rather just do it and go home.
Both Americans...
- raised their hands. - I see.
You chose to work at home? Is leaving on time more important?
I'd want to come home and eat dinner with family.
- Even if it's a short time? - Yes.
I would want to spend time with my kids...
and family...
before doing what I have to do.
I think it's better to just work at the company.
Because personally, if my flow is interrupted...
You sound so Japanese.
Japan has a lot of overtime.
(Japan has a lot of overtime.)
- Japan... - It has its own set of problems.
If it's interrupted,
it's hard to get back into it at home.
- That's right. You get lazier. - Yes.
In Japan, there are some companies that kill you with their overtime hours.
- It even came out on those commercials... - Yes.
- People committed suicide. - Yes.
(After working 105 hours a week, an employee committed suicide.)
(Dear Lord, I don't want to go to work.)
Recently, at a Japanese lingerie company,
the CEO prohibited people from working overtime.
If you worked overtime, you have to explain why you had to do it.
Together with the employee's supervisor, the CEO...
advises his employees on why they shouldn't work overtime.
- He gives them time to reflect? - Yes.
- If they work overtime? - Yes, they do that...
if they work overtime.
I also think I should finish work at the company because...
I worked so hard to gather money to finally afford an apartment.
If I had to work at home, there's no meaning in me having an apartment.
- It's no different from working at the company. - You can work more comfortably.
Why are you so obsessed about living in an apartment?
In our standards, living in an apartment is the best.
- It's a symbol of someone who's successful? - Yes.
- Well... - Everyone wants to live in one.
it's a place where you can relax.
If you bring your work there,
I might as well just live in the company.
- So you're saying you should leave work at the company? - Yes.
I also think working at the company is better.
It's annoying to stop in the middle and you have to consider the commute time too.
When you go home and you live with a roommate,
- you have to listen to how their day went. - That's a good thing.
I have to work after I finish listening to him.
But let's say you're married.
What if your wife suddenly comes and say, "Let's spend a hot time together."
(As expected of someone from such a fiery, hot country.)
- He was so... - Why did you say that?
That really made me feel bad.
You can't concentrate on your work then.
Instead, I rather just finish everything at the company,
hurry home with a light heart, and...
Oh, I get it.
You want to finish work at the company and go home to do...
(Spend a fiery night with no worries.)
Actually, from the parent's perspective, this question is about...
whether you want to see your kids or not.
It's more about whether you want to eat with your kids or not.
I understand that working overtime will be comfortable for me.
- But if you have family... - That's right. Kids will be asleep when you get home.
I can see them and work at home.
Once I felt so sorry for a coworker when I heard him tell me this story.
That guy was a father.
He had no choice but to work overtime and come home late at night.
The mother already put their baby to sleep.
But the father wanted to play with the baby so much that he...
woke up the baby again.
After he played with him, he put him back to sleep again.
That's not good for the kids.
That's why I would rather just leave earlier to spend some time with my kids.
Mark. I want to see my family too.
- But I want to spend time with them without thinking about work. - I feel the same.
- Me too. - But we don't have control...
over the amount of work we have to do.
I can't just decrease my workload because I felt like it.
If we were able to decrease our workload, that would solve everything.
But right now, we're talking about when we have a lot of workload.
And when kids are about three to four years old,
their peak time is around 6pm to 8pm.
It's the best time where you can bond with your kids, eating and talking to them.
There's a time you have to put them to sleep after you play with them.
If you miss those times,
kids are already asleep by the time you come home at 9pm.
Then, I don't have time to see my kids.
I heard that if that keeps happening,
- kids will cry when they see their fathers. - Yes.
- I know. - It's true.
When my kid was in preschool,
he had to fill in the blanks. "Mom is good at..."
"Dad is good at..."
When I saw what he wrote, it read...
"Mom is good at cooking."
"Dad is good at leaving for work."
That felt...
- That's so heartbreaking. - He never saw me come back from work.
- He only saw you leave. - Yes.
When I was in Italy, I used to eat dinner every night with my family.
I thought that was the most important thing.
Eating dinner together with your whole family...
We would talk and watch TV together.
I think that's very important.
Let's talk about companies that have good benefits for working mom and dads...
around the world.
The University of Toronto give working mothers and fathers...
both maternity and paternity leave...
and give supplementary pay for raising their kids.
And later on, when their kids are about to go to college,
they give full financial support.
They give really good benefits.
The dream company for working moms is none other than Shiseido.
- The cosmetic company? - Yes, at that company,
you can use up to five years of maternity leave...
and they have preschools...
called "Kangaroom" within their companies.
A lot of working moms want to work there.
But two years ago, after Shiseido's sale plummeted,
the company changed their rules about maternity leaves,
creating a controversy called "Shiseido Shock."
In Italy, during 2017,
the company that was chosen for having the best boss was Lamborghini.
Originally, Ferrari was the company...
famous for their good benefits.
Ferrari had really good benefits,
but this year, Lamborghini...
focused on providing more benefits specifically for working moms.
- That's why it's the best company. - If you work there, do they give you a car?
(If you work there, do they give you a car?)
- That would make it the best... - The cheapest cost around 300,000 dollars. How...
Even if they gave their employees a discount...
I guess if their employees were rich, then maybe...
Can I ask how many female workers work in Lamborghini?
I've never been to Lamborghini. I've been to Ferrari...
but they had a lot of female workers there.
They're notorious for hiring a lot of female employees.
The people who take care of the car seats and leather are all women.
They have a superb work environment.
I was so surprised.
There are no walls. It's all made of glass.
You can see everything from outside.
And there's a mirror on top of their ceiling.
If you can see everything from outside,
- that's... - The boss is watching them outside.
He can also watch them through the ceiling.
- Hey, there. - That's...
No. It's actually to bring in a lot of sunlight to the workplace.
To make them feel as if they're working outside.
- That sounds so good. - It does.
There's a company called Credit Suisse. It's the second biggest bank.
They're known for offering the longest maternity leaves.
And if you go on a business trip,
- you can take a nanny with you. - A nanny?
They pay for you to take her.
I actually have experience working for Credit Suisse.
But I didn't know they offered those kinds of benefits...
- And you've already left that company. - Yes.
(Laughs)
In France's case,
the company that gives the most benefit to working moms is L'Oreal.
It's a cosmetic company.
Because working moms are so busy,
they have a concierge system like a hotel there.
- So if you wanted to get something dry cleaned, you'd leave it up front. - Wow.
If you needed to fix your shoes...
or needed to get groceries,
you would give them a list...
- A concierge system for its employees? - Yes.
So the workers there are able to focus on their work...
while also being able to take care of their kids.
Also, there's a Wednesday for parents and their children.
On that day, you could take a day off without pay.
So you can rest at most four times a month.
- Wow. - Everyone looks like they want to work there.
What do we have here at JTBC?
JTBC had a tasty bakery in the building.
On the first floor...
- On the first floor... - They have huge egg bread.
They have a good noodle place nearby.
(They have a good noodle place nearby.)
- All right. - Yes.
How about the dream company Google?
Can you tell about its work culture?
There are actually a lot of things. But I picked...
the more interesting benefits.
There's a "Bring your kids to work Day."
It's when you bring your kids to work.
When you bring them to work, they hold events and prepare tasty food...
(Bring your kids to work.)
(Running)
(It's full of events for the children.)
(A special day catered towards the kids.)
The good thing about that is how they can...
see and look around the place that their parents work in.
Also, when you go on business trips,
you're allowed to take your family with you.
Although you have to pay for your family's expenses,
you can go together...
and spend some quality time with them after you're done with your work.
We tend to go on business trips near the weekends or holidays...
so that we can take a family vacation there.
- Wow. - If it was Korean companies...
Let's say Mr. Kim took his family on a business trip.
If they hear he took his family, people start to...
- They'll criticize him. - Yes.
I actually took my family on a lot of business trips.
(Google has such a great work culture.)
In work culture, there's also the notorious culture of eating out together.
Let's see what everyone thinks about that kind of culture.
Do you think companies need to go eat out together? Or is it unnecessary?
(It strengthens morale among the workers,)
(but also creates issues of over drinking and being exploited.)
(What will the G's think?)
- I'm really curious about other countries. - Me too.
Aurélien definitely said we didn't need such a culture...
He said that while scrunching up his face.
- He also hated MT. - I think we need them but they should be done during lunch.
- During lunch? - Can you explain?
Lunch?
Eating out together...
If you think we need them, raise your hand. In 1, 2, 3.
(Need them 7, Don't need them 5)
Canada, France, and Italy raised their hand.
You think we need to eat out together?
Yes. In my experience...
I was starting to feel the effects of the alcohol.
I was drinking and talking with my senior.
There are some things you can't say to your senior at work.
- You can only say it at this time. - It's things that you can only say over drinks.
You also have times...
when we have to be overly polite to our seniors.
We have to be really polite.
- We have to pour the soju, beer and hit it with the chopstick. - You mix it.
Yes, they make it and you thank them for the drink.
The older seniors like when you do it for them.
- Yes, they do. - I heard similar stories in Korea as well.
In the US, even during work hours, the employees will tell their boss...
- their opinions. - You don't need alcohol.
- We don't believe that this is necessary. - Right.
I wanted to say something similar to what Mark said.
In Italy, we don't feel like we need company dinners.
- However, I believe you need company dinners in Korea. - Really?
- Why? - As we talked about earlier,
when I first worked in a team in Korea,
it was hard to build a relationship inside the team. It's not easy.
But after you have a drink and eat with them,
- You become close, right? - you become close.
You can say things that you wouldn't normally say.
If you say an idea, do they actually consider it?
Let's say you were having a drink with your superior.
- "Let's try not to do overtime work." - No, you can't say that.
You don't need company dinners to boost morale, right?
In Korea, you have company dinners after your work is done.
- But, I'm sure there are people who don't want to go. - Right.
- There are. - It feels like your forcing them to go.
In truth, personally, I don't feel comfortable at company dinners.
I can't do it. It is awkward.
You come to this program's company dinners.
Well...
He's going even though he doesn't feel comfortable.
When we went last time,
Don't you remember how uncomfortable I was when I sat next to you?
- It was really uncomfortable. - Did I feel like the department head?
No, that's not it. I was sitting next to him.
As an ice breaker I greeted him like this.
"Hyun-moo, I watched all of your previous shows. I enjoyed them all."
I would've like it if he had just thanked me.
But he goes, "What programs did you see?"
- He would be flustered. - He said something formal.
I don't like greetings like that. That's why I asked him.
Right. It was just empty praise.
(I'm sorry Hyun-moo.)
- Why would you say that? - I mean...
I felt uncomfortable sitting there.
- I wanted to get closer to you. - How would you get closer by doing that?
- You complimented him. - Yes.
I hate empty praise.
I wanted to get closer with everyone, I just didn't know how to do it.
It just was uncomfortable for me.
(He's allergic to company dinners.)
Korea does make company dinners...
- feel like a part of your job. - That's right.
That's why the employees hate it so much.
It just feels like overtime work.
- That's why... - You have to count company dinners as overtime work.
Exactly. I do feel that company dinners are necessary.
I don't think you need to have that many company dinners.
(I see.)
Natsumi, what do you think?
- Yes, I... - Do you agree?
I do agree but...
- Do you agree with it being overtime work? - Do you feel like...
you have to go because of the mood of the company?
(Do you have to drink to help the mood?)
- The mood breaks when you go home, right? - Yes.
I do think we need to attend company dinners, but I don't think it should be often.
How often would you want them?
- I think once a month. - That's quite often.
Is that so?
As I see it, the bad thing about company dinners is,
although it's nice to have everyone come,
- but I don't think you should bully people who really can't go. - Right.
- They go on about it. - Right.
- Also, do you need to go for a second, third and fourth round? - Right.
From employees' perspective,
- they might want to quit smoking and drinking, - Right.
you can't because of company dinners. They force you to drink.
When you go home, your family members nag and complain.
"You don't clean or look after the baby. All you do is come home drunk."
- You're right. - "Come home drunk."
Right. They always say that you crawl back home drunk.
Those people don't want to crawl back home drunk either.
They don't want to either, but there's nothing they can do.
The thing I hate about company dinners is how they tell you about it on that day.
- They tell you on that day. - Yes, they tell you on that day.
- Right. - "Let's all go together."
- Company dinners are... - It wasn't planned.
You'll have a hangover the next day due to the drinking the previous night, right?
- You won't be able to work effectively. - Right.
That's why if you're going to have a company dinner,
- you should ask them to come in the afternoon. - That will never happen.
- You have to be at work on time. - It will never happen.
Mickey laughed really loudly just now.
- How do you feel about this? - What they're saying is all true.
But when it comes to this topic,
I can feel my Korean feelings overruling what they said.
- Yes. - When I worked in the US,
- I hated not having company dinners. - Is that right?
My team wouldn't drink.
Whatever the country or culture, you will be working with people.
I believe that communicating with people is important.
I know there are a lot negative points too.
But normally in the US,
you only have one formal company dinner.
It's the end-of-year holiday party.
It starts at 5pm and finishes at 8pm.
Your family members come along as well.
Everyone gets together...
- Did you say it finishes at 8pm? - Yes, it finishes around 8pm.
We don't start until around 8pm.
It finishes when the mood is just about to get good.
The drinks are champagne.
You also drink while standing up and not sitting down, so you don't drink a lot.
I prefer to sit down and drink at a certain pace.
I think our food culture does have that aspect to it.
- We sit down and eat and drink. - Right.
It might make people uncomfortable because of that reason.
The point you made earlier,
but asking people to come to a company dinner out of the blue is bad.
Company dinners need to have a schedule.
This is really important.
We tell our employees one month in advance.
We tell our employees one months in advance.
- We tell them where and when. - Where and when.
Also, even if the person can't come, we don't treat them like a traitor.
- That's important. - It is important.
- It really is. - If they can't come, that's fine.
Doesn't France have anything like a company dinner?
Yes, we don't have that in France.
"Why do I have to spend my evening with that person?" That's how we think.
- He's my work colleague. - "Why do I have to spend my free time with them?"
- Yes. - Sweden also...
doesn't have a company dinner culture.
During work hours,
we do team building activities.
- But we can eat a special meal. - What do you eat?
We get a sandwich cake.
(What did you say?)
- Did you say a sandwich cake? - I like that.
- Gosh! - That's it.
(It's a cake-shaped sandwich.)
(Do they eat cake shaped sandwiches during team building activities?)
- Do you also have a glass of something? - Why would you...
- It looks like a cupcake. - You could have a glass of alcohol.
- What's inside it? - You could.
- Does it turn into a sandwich when you cut it? - Is it sweet?
No, it's a sandwich.
- Isn't it sweet? - It isn't.
You take a slice and eat it.
- You take a slice onto your plate. - It's like pizza.
- Yes. - You slice it...
Do you stand as you eat it?
- No, we sit down. - I see.
Okay. If you want to come to the company dinner tonight,
please contact Calender Kim.
(Please write down a time and day.)
- All right. - To balance out work and family life,
could you suggest a culture that would help companies with this?
Personally, this is something that is said a lot in Italy,
however, I feel the gender wage gap can be solved with this.
In Italy,
the reason why men can't help raise the baby is because of this,
men make a lot more then women.
That's why it's better for the woman to stay at home.
Even if the man wants to stay at home and raise the kid,
the only way is, if the women get paid equally or more than the men.
Then men would be more willing to stay at home and raise the child.
- "It's better if I stay at home." - Right.
People do say that things have gotten a lot better. But...
the women's wage is around 70 percent of what men make.
- It has to go up. - Right.
(Korea is number one when it comes to the gender wage gap.)
I'd like companies to make a communication room.
- A communication room? - Do you mean video communication room?
Yes, a video communication room.
Inside the room, you don't talk about work.
You get to talk with your wife and children that you had not seen for a long time.
- That's the kind of room. - I see it's room for those who work overtime.
That could also be a solution.
- If you do that, - A communication room.
I think French people would not leave that room.
(French employees would not leave the room.)
You people really don't work, do you?
- They don't work a lot. - Yes.
I think we need a real finishing time.
- As I said before, - Right.
although we get off work, we still go home and keep working.
- I'd like the US to be a little like France. - That's true.
I would like the superiors to understand that employees need their own time, too/
Employees should feel as if they don't need to send that email...
in the middle of the night.
I think we need our employers and superiors to be understanding.
I think team members,
should be able to borrow vacation days from each other.
- Xinlin is unique. - Borrow from who?
Let's say a working mom had something happen,
then they can borrow vacation days from someone...
and exchange it for money or the borrower's vacation days later on.
There's going to be a lot of fights about this.
- I mean... - "When are you going to give my vacation days?"
- I mean... - Xinlin is unique.
Then you shouldn't borrow from an individual.
You could borrow it from the company. It can be something official.
Borrowing vacation days.
- Your sharing vacation days. - Yes.
This was the issue brought to us by the 146th Korean representative, Mickey Kim.
"I Believe Men Should Be Entitled To Paternity Leave. Am I Abnormal?"
We debated and discussed this issue.
There's a saying, "A happy family is but an earlier heaven."
We hope that all working moms and dads in the world can find their earlier heaven.
Mickey, can you give some advice on balancing work and family?
I think balance is important with everything.
We talked about how family is important today.
I think the two parents need to find a balance. This is important.
Lastly, my young daughter,
like my mother and my wife,
will become someone who does an important job.
I'd like to help make a society that allows this.
- Yes. - That would be a great society.
- Yes. - Let's hope for a world like that.
Could you say a few words about being on the show?
I really like the healthy debate environment within this show.
Everyone acknowledges and respect the other person's different opinions.
Everyone tries to find the right direction through debate.
I think this is something that companies need to learn.
Also, in this chaotic society of ours,
I think we need to embrace and learn this debate culture.
I was happy to have participated in this debate today.
I will continue to cheer for this show.
- Thank you for those words. - Thank you.
I would now like to adjourn our Non Summit Meeting.
Until the day we all become normal.
Please don't call the employees who have gone home about work today.
- You can't consider yourself to be rational person if you do this. - Yes.
No cool I'm sorry I'm sorry that I couldn't be rational
- We will now adjourn. - We don't have time.
(We will now adjourn.)
(Which airport is the best?)
(First candidate, Munich Airport)
(You can have a beer at the airport.)
(Candidate two, Zürich Airport)
(There's a place where you can ride a bike or inline skate.)
(Contestant three, Incheon International Airport)
(The worst airports)
The United Airlines in the US asked four passengers to get off.
(Concussion, broken nose and two broken teeth)
(Rush of criticism)
(Discrimination against Asians)
(Consequences and losses that's hard to recover from)
(They say that the truth hasn't been revealed/)
(The worst airline cabin incident, what is the whole story?)
(They are the girls who you want as your girlfriend.)
(Gugudan's Se-jeong and Na-young)
(I'm a real fan.)
(Hearts beating)
(I'm a fan)
(Se-jeong's confession rips many hearts.)
(I prefer eating to sleeping.)
(Should I sleep 30 more minutes or eat?)
I sleep no matter what.
I ask them to wake me up 30 seconds later.
(Mark is a morning person.)
(Aurélien is a night owl.)
(You don't eat because you don't want to brush your teeth.)
(Is that true, Aurélien?)
(The representatives talk about sleeping.)
(They poke their thighs with a needle because they don't want to sleep.)
(I don't go to school if I'm tired.)
(In Switzerland 11pm is time for sleep.)
(In Korea, everything starts in the evening.)
(Do you mean with all the lights going on and off?)
(I meant the moon.)
(The biorhythm of the young.)
(A sweet voice to soothe you to sleep.)
(Heart beating fast)
(Trying hard)
(Abusing his emotions)
(Singing in Chinese)
(It sounds like you'll fall asleep.)
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